Manual Conversion

[Quadcob]

When carrying out engine transplants and doing manual conversions in Australia there are a number of companies that supply the necessary components to enable almost any conceivable conversion. When doing the ground work to be able to buy the compents to allow a trouble free conversion you log on to forums, talk to companies and listen to anyone who might know something about conversion you are undertaking.
In my case I am fitting a 1uzfe motor with a R154 gearbox into a kit car.
The motor selected was a result of research I was doing when I was going to purchase a V8 Soarer. Decieded to build a kit car instead and use a Toyota V8. The gearbox selection was result of what I read on this forum. I was going to use a W58.
There are manual conversion kits available from two companies that I know of, CRS and Dellows. My research for a conversion kit started by checking the companies website and talking to them by phone, reading forums and talking to companies who specialise in gearbox conversions.
In the end I decieded to purchase the kit from CRS. Their kit was more expensive than Dellow due the an additional spacer reqiuired for the R154 gearbox. The kit cost $1565 plus delivery.
I have now received the kit and to help anyone else who is also about to purchase a manual conversion here are few things I found out.
1. CRS will only sell complete kits. They will, if you are persistant sell the kit at a reduced price without the clutch and pressure plate.
Dellows sell all their products separatly.
2. CRS's flywheel comes complete with ring gear. Dellow will place your old ring on their new fly wheel for an extra cost.
3. The CRS kit has secondhand slave cylinder, pivot ball and clutch fork. I have received a 2nd slave cylinder because the first one was full of rust. Even the second one might need a re-sleeve
4.CRS supply a nose cone extension for the long input shaft gearbox. Havn't worked out what mod is required to fit it(no instructiuns supplied)
5.With the CRS bellhousing a small portion of the aluminuim sump is removed to allow the slave cylinder to bolt into postion.This removes one of the bolts that holds the bellhousing to the aluminium sump. The Dellow one, from pictures I have seen, must mount their slave cylinder differently. The picture shows all 10 bolt holes on the bellhousing.
6. The CRS bellhousing has no provision to bolt on the small dust cover to the front of it. These dust cover bolt holes can be clearly seen in the front of the Dellow bellhousing picture.
7. The CRS belhousing require 30mm spacer when being fitted to the 190mm input shaft R154 gearbox. Dellow make a bellhousing for this gearbox without the need of a spacer.

I would have like to known a few of these things before I bought my kit. I would have ask more relevant questions. I might have still bought this kit, but there would have been no suprises like....grind away a small portion of...

If anyone has bought CRS or Dellow kits what have been your thoughts.

Warren

 

[R-Jay]

Dellow's have a bad rep with some guys in this forum... i personally found them quite helpful. I actually spoke to the guys in person (im about 15mins from their workshop). They also actually sell whole kits.. last time i asked, i was priced $1400 for a whole kit... including clutch setup.. though i don't think it included a slave cylinder. Also, they give you the option of having the clutch fork on either side... and from what i gathered, it was simply bolt on... no spacer's involved.

some say they're dodgy, though i think i would buy from them because they are local for me and if i ran into problems, they said they'd be willing to help... seemed like nice guys but they don't muck around.

 

[Peewee]

I bought from CRS - W58 Bellhousing.

1) I bought just my bellhousing off them. I sourced the flywheel and clutch elsewhere, as their flywheels were too heavy, and their clutches were too lightweight for my liking.
2) N/A
3) For $20, go buy a new one, and use the one they give you to make sure you get the right one. I wouldn't put a 2nd hand one on my car anyway.
4) Not sure about this, I have never come across it, but I don't have an R154
5) 30 seconds with a grinder will fix this. And only using 9 out of 10 bolts is no big problem.
6) YES! I found this surprising too. But 30 seconds with a drill, and a few mins with a tap will fix this, but it is annoying.
7) Extension is only for R154, it doesn't apply to W58.

 

[Peewee]

Mine was $1350 plus postage.
I know the R154 kit is more expensive though.

 

[elhsupra]

1. Bought the CRS Kit without clutch and pressure plate. cheaper for shipping to the States.
2. Kit included CRS's flywheel.
3. The CRS secondhand slave cylinder was useless so I reused my original from the W58. Did use the pivot ball and clutch fork.
4.CRS nose cone extension -
The nose of the front bearing retainer needs to be cut down. Then you have the extension press fit on the end of the nose till it butts up against the main plate of the front bearing retainer.
5.Removing a portion of the sump, even though it a very small amount does suck.
6. If that is the same as a flywheel inspection cover, I haven't got to it yet.
7. 30mm spacer required for the longer input shaft of the R154. If you were to swap the shorter R150 input shaft the spacer and nose extension is not required. CRS made the bellhousing semi-universal and just drills the bolt holes and/or adds spacer to match the gearbox. All the bellhousing part numbers are BH106**. The more applications, the more cost productive.

 

[Quadcob]

Dellow supply all new parts in their kits, there is no modification required either to the sump or gearbox and the bellhousing for the R154 does not use spacers.
If anyone is going to purchase a kit I hope the information I have given will help when you are talking to the companies to come up with the best kit for your situation.

If you have a CRS kit for Supra gearbox and require a new slave cylinder the part number is JB4154 (IBS Brake Parts) and cost around $23.

Warren

 

[V8 MK2 Supra]

elhsupra... how much did it cost you to get the set you got from CRS shipped to US...

let me know???

 

[Dreamkiller]

I would have thought that Dellow would be better because they are a gearbox conversion specialist. Not having to modify the sump or gearbox proves that.
They have thought about where everything should be situated!
Thats what would sell me if i was looking for a kit.