V8TT Supra Project Diary
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The 1UZFE EGR Delete Kit is available for sale here.
I would just need to modify the loom from the HKS USDM Supra Harness. Not a big deal. Or I can get a custom adaptor that's repinned for my ECU, since the SC400 and Supra turbo harness are like 2 pins off.
That list should do the job, your biggest hurdle is the crap fuel you get there. A few points: Downsize your injectors as they are massively too big, i have over 500rwhp with around 500cc/min and they still have more safe flow in them.
At that rpm and probably boost level (worked out what you'll need to run?) block integrity is gonna be a real concern. I have been looking into a crank girdle to help stiffen things up but i am stuffed for room. I think it's gonna be the block that will eventually limit me.
It's gonna take careful assembly and putting all your parts together well for the motor to last. Seriously look into upgrading every aspect of cooling for both water and oil.
Don't skimp on anything either as the numbers you are chasing will take the best quality parts in all aspects to work.
Good luck, and hope it comes together soon so we can drool over the result
That list should do the job, your biggest hurdle is the crap fuel you get there. A few points: Downsize your injectors as they are massively too big, i have over 500rwhp with around 500cc/min and they still have more safe flow in them.
At that rpm and probably boost level (worked out what you'll need to run?) block integrity is gonna be a real concern. I have been looking into a crank girdle to help stiffen things up but i am stuffed for room. I think it's gonna be the block that will eventually limit me.
It's gonna take careful assembly and putting all your parts together well for the motor to last. Seriously look into upgrading every aspect of cooling for both water and oil.
Don't skimp on anything either as the numbers you are chasing will take the best quality parts in all aspects to work.
Good luck, and hope it comes together soon so we can drool over the result
Actually, those injectors are exactly what's needed to run E85. I want to run it because it is ~105 octane and I can run high compression and get E85 from a pump and run it all day. The bad thing about E85 is that it takes more fuel for the amount of horsepower that I want to push (around 30% more required). As such, I sized them very big as I would not want ANY sort of lean condition. There is a mustang on TurboMustangs.com that is running E85 and he used the same sized injectors and got 1066rwhp at 30psi with 2 older T70 P-Trims. With the octane increase, you can add a lot more timing and compression and still run quite a bit of boost, which is why I'm trying to run the E85 (plus it is about the same price as regular gas in some areas!). For the link go to:
http://www.turbomustangs.com/techarticles/e85dyno.php
Forum discussion (which I just found and havent read yet is:
http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/in...a81c9968e37dfc83a37224bcf;www=&threadid=47094
I'm only doing the pump gas tune as I don't want to be stuck in an area with no E85 (which could happen quite often as some states only have one pump in a major city).
PLUS I will have lower EGTs (how much lower, I can't tell). If they can be low enough, I will run Variable Area Turbine Nozzle turbos, which will allow for instantaneous spooling. Realistically, once I get it all together, I will probably find it surprisingly hard to get traction. Oh, the problems with high horsepower. :smoker:
Block girdle: I've been talking with a couple of places that would allow me to design it myself using CAD and they would be able to machine it for me. I'm thinking it's a must at this point.
The widebody kit that's going on the car, with all of it's extra vents, will be housing a cooler for just about everything I can think of...intercooler, oil cooler, transmission cooler, radiator, rear diff cooler...some other cooler that I know I will need and can't think of right now LOL. So I am right there with you on that.
Someone get me a winning lotto ticket so I can order everything tomorrow! :smoker:
Thanks for the input.
Actually, those injectors are exactly what's needed to run E85. I want to run it because it is ~105 octane and I can run high compression and get E85 from a pump and run it all day. The bad thing about E85 is that it takes more fuel for the amount of horsepower that I want to push (around 30% more required). As such, I sized them very big as I would not want ANY sort of lean condition. There is a mustang on TurboMustangs.com that is running E85 and he used the same sized injectors and got 1066rwhp at 30psi with 2 older T70 P-Trims. With the octane increase, you can add a lot more timing and compression and still run quite a bit of boost, which is why I'm trying to run the E85 (plus it is about the same price as regular gas in some areas!). For the link go to:
http://www.turbomustangs.com/techarticles/e85dyno.php
Forum discussion (which I just found and havent read yet is:
http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/in...a81c9968e37dfc83a37224bcf;www=&threadid=47094
I'm only doing the pump gas tune as I don't want to be stuck in an area with no E85 (which could happen quite often as some states only have one pump in a major city).
PLUS I will have lower EGTs (how much lower, I can't tell). If they can be low enough, I will run Variable Area Turbine Nozzle turbos, which will allow for instantaneous spooling. Realistically, once I get it all together, I will probably find it surprisingly hard to get traction. Oh, the problems with high horsepower. :smoker:
Block girdle: I've been talking with a couple of places that would allow me to design it myself using CAD and they would be able to machine it for me. I'm thinking it's a must at this point.
The widebody kit that's going on the car, with all of it's extra vents, will be housing a cooler for just about everything I can think of...intercooler, oil cooler, transmission cooler, radiator, rear diff cooler...some other cooler that I know I will need and can't think of right now LOL. So I am right there with you on that.
Someone get me a winning lotto ticket so I can order everything tomorrow! :smoker:
Thanks for the input.
4000GT
New Member
Hey Stretch,
I am using the LinkPlus G2, thouh I think the newer version G3 is out now. But for me the G2 was feature packed enough! I got mine from www.nzefi.com They are actually making me a loom for it as well! So if you ned one, it may be worth giving Walter or Nick a call there.
I am using the LinkPlus G2, thouh I think the newer version G3 is out now. But for me the G2 was feature packed enough! I got mine from www.nzefi.com They are actually making me a loom for it as well! So if you ned one, it may be worth giving Walter or Nick a call there.
KazeSupra
New Member
I would just need to modify the loom from the HKS USDM Supra Harness. Not a big deal. Or I can get a custom adaptor that's repinned for my ECU, since the SC400 and Supra turbo harness are like 2 pins off.
Lextreme II
Active Member
Any updates?
KazeSupra
New Member
Alright, I'm changing my goals around just a little bit.
700rwhp @ 14-15psi of boost on 93 octane gasoline
800rwhp @ 18psi of boost on E85
1000rwhp+ @ 30psi of boost on E85
8000RPM redline
200mph+ Top Speed
1.0+ Lateral Gs cornering
And here's (supposedly) how I'm going to accomplish those goals:
Forged pistons and rods
ARP everything
10.0:1 static compression
Possible VVT-i
Internally balanced assembly
Street ported head
Upgraded springs and retainers
2JZ Ferrea Valves, +1mm oversize (making it +1 intake, +2 exhaust)
Upgraded cams (choice of either billet or reground, as reground are half the price) (reground VVT-i if I can find heads for a good price)
Twin Turbos (choice of either T3/T04S 60-1 .48-.63 A/R or GT35R)
180 degree turbo headers (custom)
Dual Exhaust (Custom w/cat retention)
Custom intake
3 core intercooler (possible V-Mount, but no decision on that yet)
COP conversion (Camry coils)
1600cc injectors
Aftermarket ECU (currently choosing between either an Autronic SM4, LinkPlus G2, Wolf V500, and Hydra EMS)
Other things I'm considering doing:
Stroker crank
Tundra re-sleeve
I figured since I may only get to do one of these, I may as well up the ante and do it all right all at once. I'm adding some things like VVT-i and E85 for fuel. Yes, it will be complicated, yes, it will be over the top...but why not? You only live once.
Anyhow, I'll get back to this project (other than research which I do all the time) once I get a break from school. If you have constructive input, I do not mind you sharing it here. Thanks.
700rwhp @ 14-15psi of boost on 93 octane gasoline
800rwhp @ 18psi of boost on E85
1000rwhp+ @ 30psi of boost on E85
8000RPM redline
200mph+ Top Speed
1.0+ Lateral Gs cornering
And here's (supposedly) how I'm going to accomplish those goals:
Forged pistons and rods
ARP everything
10.0:1 static compression
Possible VVT-i
Internally balanced assembly
Street ported head
Upgraded springs and retainers
2JZ Ferrea Valves, +1mm oversize (making it +1 intake, +2 exhaust)
Upgraded cams (choice of either billet or reground, as reground are half the price) (reground VVT-i if I can find heads for a good price)
Twin Turbos (choice of either T3/T04S 60-1 .48-.63 A/R or GT35R)
180 degree turbo headers (custom)
Dual Exhaust (Custom w/cat retention)
Custom intake
3 core intercooler (possible V-Mount, but no decision on that yet)
COP conversion (Camry coils)
1600cc injectors
Aftermarket ECU (currently choosing between either an Autronic SM4, LinkPlus G2, Wolf V500, and Hydra EMS)
Other things I'm considering doing:
Stroker crank
Tundra re-sleeve
I figured since I may only get to do one of these, I may as well up the ante and do it all right all at once. I'm adding some things like VVT-i and E85 for fuel. Yes, it will be complicated, yes, it will be over the top...but why not? You only live once.
Anyhow, I'll get back to this project (other than research which I do all the time) once I get a break from school. If you have constructive input, I do not mind you sharing it here. Thanks.
KazeSupra
New Member
Alright, I'm changing my goals around just a little bit.
700rwhp @ 14-15psi of boost on 93 octane gasoline
800rwhp @ 18psi of boost on E85
1000rwhp+ @ 30psi of boost on E85
8000RPM redline
200mph+ Top Speed
1.0+ Lateral Gs cornering
And here's (supposedly) how I'm going to accomplish those goals:
Forged pistons and rods
ARP everything
10.0:1 static compression
Possible VVT-i
Internally balanced assembly
Street ported head
Upgraded springs and retainers
2JZ Ferrea Valves, +1mm oversize (making it +1 intake, +2 exhaust)
Upgraded cams (choice of either billet or reground, as reground are half the price) (reground VVT-i if I can find heads for a good price)
Twin Turbos (choice of either T3/T04S 60-1 .48-.63 A/R or GT35R)
180 degree turbo headers (custom)
Dual Exhaust (Custom w/cat retention)
Custom intake
3 core intercooler (possible V-Mount, but no decision on that yet)
COP conversion (Camry coils)
1600cc injectors
Aftermarket ECU (currently choosing between either an Autronic SM4, LinkPlus G2, Wolf V500, and Hydra EMS)
Other things I'm considering doing:
Stroker crank
Tundra re-sleeve
I figured since I may only get to do one of these, I may as well up the ante and do it all right all at once. I'm adding some things like VVT-i and E85 for fuel. Yes, it will be complicated, yes, it will be over the top...but why not? You only live once.
Anyhow, I'll get back to this project (other than research which I do all the time) once I get a break from school. If you have constructive input, I do not mind you sharing it here. Thanks.
700rwhp @ 14-15psi of boost on 93 octane gasoline
800rwhp @ 18psi of boost on E85
1000rwhp+ @ 30psi of boost on E85
8000RPM redline
200mph+ Top Speed
1.0+ Lateral Gs cornering
And here's (supposedly) how I'm going to accomplish those goals:
Forged pistons and rods
ARP everything
10.0:1 static compression
Possible VVT-i
Internally balanced assembly
Street ported head
Upgraded springs and retainers
2JZ Ferrea Valves, +1mm oversize (making it +1 intake, +2 exhaust)
Upgraded cams (choice of either billet or reground, as reground are half the price) (reground VVT-i if I can find heads for a good price)
Twin Turbos (choice of either T3/T04S 60-1 .48-.63 A/R or GT35R)
180 degree turbo headers (custom)
Dual Exhaust (Custom w/cat retention)
Custom intake
3 core intercooler (possible V-Mount, but no decision on that yet)
COP conversion (Camry coils)
1600cc injectors
Aftermarket ECU (currently choosing between either an Autronic SM4, LinkPlus G2, Wolf V500, and Hydra EMS)
Other things I'm considering doing:
Stroker crank
Tundra re-sleeve
I figured since I may only get to do one of these, I may as well up the ante and do it all right all at once. I'm adding some things like VVT-i and E85 for fuel. Yes, it will be complicated, yes, it will be over the top...but why not? You only live once.
Anyhow, I'll get back to this project (other than research which I do all the time) once I get a break from school. If you have constructive input, I do not mind you sharing it here. Thanks.
JustenGT8
New Member
That list should do the job, your biggest hurdle is the crap fuel you get there. A few points: Downsize your injectors as they are massively too big, i have over 500rwhp with around 500cc/min and they still have more safe flow in them.
At that rpm and probably boost level (worked out what you'll need to run?) block integrity is gonna be a real concern. I have been looking into a crank girdle to help stiffen things up but i am stuffed for room. I think it's gonna be the block that will eventually limit me.
It's gonna take careful assembly and putting all your parts together well for the motor to last. Seriously look into upgrading every aspect of cooling for both water and oil.
Don't skimp on anything either as the numbers you are chasing will take the best quality parts in all aspects to work.
Good luck, and hope it comes together soon so we can drool over the result
JustenGT8
New Member
That list should do the job, your biggest hurdle is the crap fuel you get there. A few points: Downsize your injectors as they are massively too big, i have over 500rwhp with around 500cc/min and they still have more safe flow in them.
At that rpm and probably boost level (worked out what you'll need to run?) block integrity is gonna be a real concern. I have been looking into a crank girdle to help stiffen things up but i am stuffed for room. I think it's gonna be the block that will eventually limit me.
It's gonna take careful assembly and putting all your parts together well for the motor to last. Seriously look into upgrading every aspect of cooling for both water and oil.
Don't skimp on anything either as the numbers you are chasing will take the best quality parts in all aspects to work.
Good luck, and hope it comes together soon so we can drool over the result
KazeSupra
New Member
That list should do the job, your biggest hurdle is the crap fuel you get there. A few points: Downsize your injectors as they are massively too big, i have over 500rwhp with around 500cc/min and they still have more safe flow in them.
At that rpm and probably boost level (worked out what you'll need to run?) block integrity is gonna be a real concern. I have been looking into a crank girdle to help stiffen things up but i am stuffed for room. I think it's gonna be the block that will eventually limit me.
It's gonna take careful assembly and putting all your parts together well for the motor to last. Seriously look into upgrading every aspect of cooling for both water and oil.
Don't skimp on anything either as the numbers you are chasing will take the best quality parts in all aspects to work.
Good luck, and hope it comes together soon so we can drool over the result
Actually, those injectors are exactly what's needed to run E85. I want to run it because it is ~105 octane and I can run high compression and get E85 from a pump and run it all day. The bad thing about E85 is that it takes more fuel for the amount of horsepower that I want to push (around 30% more required). As such, I sized them very big as I would not want ANY sort of lean condition. There is a mustang on TurboMustangs.com that is running E85 and he used the same sized injectors and got 1066rwhp at 30psi with 2 older T70 P-Trims. With the octane increase, you can add a lot more timing and compression and still run quite a bit of boost, which is why I'm trying to run the E85 (plus it is about the same price as regular gas in some areas!). For the link go to:
http://www.turbomustangs.com/techarticles/e85dyno.php
Forum discussion (which I just found and havent read yet is:
http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/in...a81c9968e37dfc83a37224bcf;www=&threadid=47094
I'm only doing the pump gas tune as I don't want to be stuck in an area with no E85 (which could happen quite often as some states only have one pump in a major city).
PLUS I will have lower EGTs (how much lower, I can't tell). If they can be low enough, I will run Variable Area Turbine Nozzle turbos, which will allow for instantaneous spooling. Realistically, once I get it all together, I will probably find it surprisingly hard to get traction. Oh, the problems with high horsepower. :smoker:
Block girdle: I've been talking with a couple of places that would allow me to design it myself using CAD and they would be able to machine it for me. I'm thinking it's a must at this point.
The widebody kit that's going on the car, with all of it's extra vents, will be housing a cooler for just about everything I can think of...intercooler, oil cooler, transmission cooler, radiator, rear diff cooler...some other cooler that I know I will need and can't think of right now LOL. So I am right there with you on that.
Someone get me a winning lotto ticket so I can order everything tomorrow! :smoker:
Thanks for the input.
KazeSupra
New Member
That list should do the job, your biggest hurdle is the crap fuel you get there. A few points: Downsize your injectors as they are massively too big, i have over 500rwhp with around 500cc/min and they still have more safe flow in them.
At that rpm and probably boost level (worked out what you'll need to run?) block integrity is gonna be a real concern. I have been looking into a crank girdle to help stiffen things up but i am stuffed for room. I think it's gonna be the block that will eventually limit me.
It's gonna take careful assembly and putting all your parts together well for the motor to last. Seriously look into upgrading every aspect of cooling for both water and oil.
Don't skimp on anything either as the numbers you are chasing will take the best quality parts in all aspects to work.
Good luck, and hope it comes together soon so we can drool over the result
Actually, those injectors are exactly what's needed to run E85. I want to run it because it is ~105 octane and I can run high compression and get E85 from a pump and run it all day. The bad thing about E85 is that it takes more fuel for the amount of horsepower that I want to push (around 30% more required). As such, I sized them very big as I would not want ANY sort of lean condition. There is a mustang on TurboMustangs.com that is running E85 and he used the same sized injectors and got 1066rwhp at 30psi with 2 older T70 P-Trims. With the octane increase, you can add a lot more timing and compression and still run quite a bit of boost, which is why I'm trying to run the E85 (plus it is about the same price as regular gas in some areas!). For the link go to:
http://www.turbomustangs.com/techarticles/e85dyno.php
Forum discussion (which I just found and havent read yet is:
http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/in...a81c9968e37dfc83a37224bcf;www=&threadid=47094
I'm only doing the pump gas tune as I don't want to be stuck in an area with no E85 (which could happen quite often as some states only have one pump in a major city).
PLUS I will have lower EGTs (how much lower, I can't tell). If they can be low enough, I will run Variable Area Turbine Nozzle turbos, which will allow for instantaneous spooling. Realistically, once I get it all together, I will probably find it surprisingly hard to get traction. Oh, the problems with high horsepower. :smoker:
Block girdle: I've been talking with a couple of places that would allow me to design it myself using CAD and they would be able to machine it for me. I'm thinking it's a must at this point.
The widebody kit that's going on the car, with all of it's extra vents, will be housing a cooler for just about everything I can think of...intercooler, oil cooler, transmission cooler, radiator, rear diff cooler...some other cooler that I know I will need and can't think of right now LOL. So I am right there with you on that.
Someone get me a winning lotto ticket so I can order everything tomorrow! :smoker:
Thanks for the input.
SC400TT
Active Member
Has anybody come up with a crank girdle yet, or any other ways to strengthen the integrity of the block? I too, have heard of the block splitting once at or past 1000 WHP, but have not seen any pics of such, nor do I know of any specific incidents of this happening. There must be a way to facilitate this without having to make your own block, or switch to a 2UZ iron block...
BTW, Justen, your car is bad to the bone...:AR15firing: :firedevil: :rocketwhore:
Ryan
BTW, Justen, your car is bad to the bone...:AR15firing: :firedevil: :rocketwhore:
Ryan
Kaze, just a comment along the lines of Justen's. Even with the engine's requirement for more E85 than normal gasoline, you may find the 1600's are tough to get a good idle with.
It's a bit like putting a 90mm butterfly on a 2 litre motor and trying to use it to control the idle - it just ain't gonna happen. That's why we have IAC's.
Seems manufacturers are solving this situation with two sets of small injectors rather than a single set of big ones, since the big ones just don't turn down well enough.
If your ECU has some spare injector outputs, you might think about setting up a primary/secondary injector arrangement, using 550's or 750's as your primaries to get a nice idle, and then put 2-4 big ones at the manifold and batch fire them as secondaries only when needed at high load. This arrangement might also work better for you if you get "stuck" somewhere and have to use regular pump gas.
Also, if you're going to go ahead with those 1600's and they happen to be P&H (low impedance) injectors, make sure your ECU can drive them natively, ie with a true Peak & Hold driver arrangement - none of this rinky-dink stuff with a resistor box. If your ECU doesn't have true P&H drivers, then you really need to consider getting one of the aftermarket P&H boxes like the AEM. Otherwise the ECU's saturated drivers just aren't going to have the initial "umph" to bang those big puppies open fast enough.
It's a bit like putting a 90mm butterfly on a 2 litre motor and trying to use it to control the idle - it just ain't gonna happen. That's why we have IAC's.
Seems manufacturers are solving this situation with two sets of small injectors rather than a single set of big ones, since the big ones just don't turn down well enough.
If your ECU has some spare injector outputs, you might think about setting up a primary/secondary injector arrangement, using 550's or 750's as your primaries to get a nice idle, and then put 2-4 big ones at the manifold and batch fire them as secondaries only when needed at high load. This arrangement might also work better for you if you get "stuck" somewhere and have to use regular pump gas.
Also, if you're going to go ahead with those 1600's and they happen to be P&H (low impedance) injectors, make sure your ECU can drive them natively, ie with a true Peak & Hold driver arrangement - none of this rinky-dink stuff with a resistor box. If your ECU doesn't have true P&H drivers, then you really need to consider getting one of the aftermarket P&H boxes like the AEM. Otherwise the ECU's saturated drivers just aren't going to have the initial "umph" to bang those big puppies open fast enough.
