Learning About Australia

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Hey stormtrooper,

wasn't really looking for a job, perfectly happy with the studios and the people I work with right now,
was more less fisshing for an excuse to maybe set a plan of moving out of europe.

anyway about the brittish and the USA,
don't forget that New York used to be New Amsterdam, before the duke of York (uk) went campaining against the New Netherlands, until the peace of Breda (large city in south of holland) the city New amsterdam was turned over to the brittish and the Duke named it after himself, hence New York.
mind you the city was at that time allready developed to great extend, Wall street for instance was a dutch build Wood wall, in dutch a "wal" sort of wall made of clay and tree branches to keep water/cattle/enemy's out, very early dyke sort of thing.
the legal system that was active under dutch rule is still in rule in holland now, mr Nicols a servant of the duke of york thought up the trial by jury as we now know it, in europe there are not much countrys that have a trial by jury justice system, we only have judges and laywers. roots for that go back far into german and roman history.

The thing I would like to know, is about the history in your country's. first explinaition to illustrate what I mean, it's a feeling i sometimes have which I cannot imagine being without.

close to my house they discovered a Roman settlement, and dug it up to show to the public, this site is dated to 40 B.C.
We have Hunnenbeds(Dolmens), 3400 years old burial mounts/grounds at 40km's driving (lot's of them) they are spread all over northern europe 100's,
near my sister in France, there's the Roque Saint Christophe, (rock of saint christophe), it's the oldest place people have lived for a unintertupted period of time, the oldest human remains (well actually neaderthals) date back 41.000 years, but scientist think it's been occupied since 55.000 B.C. the place has been ocupied up to the late 17th century. for instance egypt isn't that old at all.
more everyday, in my parents house, I had a room on the top floor and that looked out onto a small forest (you'd probably call it a yard or garden hihi) and a 350year old castle.....
actual question is
Since the USA and AUS are relative young country's in terms of history, do you have things like this that are very old? buildings, ancient burial monuments, etc etc,
did the indians or aboriginals build anything constructive that still can be seen today?
In LOTR the blonde pointy ear says, "This forrest is very old" do you ever have that feeling about somehting in the country.
walking on the roque saint christophe for instance makes you feel very tiny and humble, and also around the biggest Hunebeds keeps you wondering, where did they got the rocks from? and how the hell did they arange them like that?

do you guys have things that are: completly irrelative for modern time, yet make more impression than anything you've ever seen because it's very very old and mostly very big aswell.

a typical hunebed
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I find this very nice to go and look at, so now you know what my other hobby is. egypt, stonehenge, rome, athens, etc etc etc....
 
It depends on what you call young I guess, white fella has only just touched this bit of dirt. The cave paintings and the Pilbara rock art estimated to be 40,000 years old. They painted their hunting and fishing stories on the walls.

These pictures I took in the NT but there are quite a few around if you know where to look.

Those Dutch invaders were the first Europeans to land down under as well but they had to go back home to build Lexus powered cars.
 
Stiker, you would have so much fun in Australia. There is a theory and evidence to go along with it to suggest Australia has been under continuous occupation for slightly over 100 000 years.

No we don't have buildings like the old Roman settlements and such but we have other things that are just as brilliant, to me anyway it really depends on what gets your blood pumping I suppose.

My dad is a Scot so I have a penchant for History of the ancient world and the engineering feats of the ancient peoples but they "progressed" because they had to. Imagine what the world would be like if they didn't have to, my thought is it would be very much like Australia was. I was literally in awe of the ancient world when I was studying archaeology at uni but when I went on to study the archaeology of places like Australia and the America's before European colonisation I was gobsmacked. I could say alot more here and now, apart from I have to go and get my dinner, but I think I might end up boring everyone.

btw I tried to do some pics but mine are to big and I haven't figured out how to make them smaller in size, as in mebabites not centimetres
 
Stiker, you would have so much fun in Australia. There is a theory and evidence to go along with it to suggest Australia has been under continuous occupation for slightly over 100 000 years.

No we don't have buildings like the old Roman settlements and such but we have other things that are just as brilliant, to me anyway it really depends on what gets your blood pumping I suppose.

My dad is a Scot so I have a penchant for History of the ancient world and the engineering feats of the ancient peoples but they "progressed" because they had to. Imagine what the world would be like if they didn't have to, my thought is it would be very much like Australia was. I was literally in awe of the ancient world when I was studying archaeology at uni but when I went on to study the archaeology of places like Australia and the America's before European colonisation I was gobsmacked. I could say alot more here and now, apart from I have to go and get my dinner, but I think I might end up boring everyone.

btw I tried to do some pics but mine are to big and I haven't figured out how to make them smaller in size, as in mebabites not centimetres
Either right click on pic in p/c and down size...
Or load them on www.photobucket.com for free. Then just post link here..
Hth...Graeme...
 
Those Dutch invaders were the first Europeans to land down under as well but they had to go back home to build Lexus powered cars.

Damn right you are :biglaugh: .

Stiker, you would have so much fun in Australia. There is a theory and evidence to go along with it to suggest Australia has been under continuous occupation for slightly over 100 000 years.

Wow didn't know that. but aboriginals are travelers right? sorta nomads so not in on place they call "home", as the hill at siant christophe you can see the evidence of the canyon getting deeper through the years by the river, the higher you climb the roque the older the found remains are, they build a church in the 17th century which is at the lowest point,

I could say alot more here and now, apart from I have to go and get my dinner, but I think I might end up boring everyone.

euhm I'm game!

btw I tried to do some pics but mine are to big and I haven't figured out how to make them smaller in size, as in mebabites not centimetres

was going to suggest a pair of siccors. haha
simplest way is to open the picture in windows Paint, then go to picture then to stretch and off you go something that fits the screen in one take is usualy ok, then save as Jpeg e voila.

Grtz Thomas
 
While dairy farming in N.Z we sponsored a few families Dutchies who settled in N.Z... By brother married a Van Der Hayden [sp]...
The locals gave Dutchies a little bit of hard time, at the time.. But have settled in VERY well...
I guess that post way back about islands wasn't understood ??
Kiwi's joking call Aussie the west island.. Lol...
 
Wow didn't know that. but aboriginals are travelers right? sorta nomads so not in on place they call "home",
Yeah they led a nomadic lifestyle, not all mind you some were fairly settled and had only a small teritory to use. The thing with pre=european australia is the traditional lands and teritories. In general the better the quality of land the smaller the teritory. The coastal nations (tribes if you want to call them that) had smaller tradtional lands/teritories cuse they could support the same number of people as a tribe in the desert with a traditonal teritory 100 times bigger.

as the hill at siant christophe you can see the evidence of the canyon getting deeper through the years by the river, the higher you climb the roque the older the found remains are, they build a church in the 17th century which is at the lowest point,
Ah the mound of Hisilark (commonly known as Troy) is the opposite the lower you go the older the remains. Same thing with the Harrapan remains along the border of India and Pakistan. There ar many other sites like st chris, ancient keltic and pre keltic remains in europe have a similar mo in that they went for higher ground when the could and gradually moved down as the resources were depleted up high.

euhm I'm game!
Lol, I'll gather some info for you about various things and post it up and I'll try to answer any quetions for you.

was going to suggest a pair of siccors. haha
I have a very vivid imagination, I jjust had a picture of some guy I dont't know tryint to cut a picture on his PC screen, hmmmm very strange, lol.

simplest way is to open the picture in windows Paint, then go to picture then to stretch and off you go something that fits the screen in one take is usualy ok, then save as Jpeg e voila.
Here's the trick, I don;t use windows, I use Ubuntu Linux. I'll see what GIMP can do and I'll work on that to get some pics up for you. I have a brilliant one of a storm front coming over the valley with my troopy in front of it.
 
Post a thread or something if you decide to do the trip and some of us will shout you a beer (if you drink beer that is

Will do, thanks...... As to your question do you drink beer? My answer to that is does the sun shine? However, I did switch to drinking Vino (red wine) as it is better for your health...But I tell you the truth the best Vino in the world can't touch a nice tall cold one.... Cheers mate:beerchug:

While traveling thru the UK I loved the warm foamy Guiness and Murphy's stout on draft in the pubs... A wee bit filling though...
 
Xrtt8 that's defenitely snow.... Wow, I never thought it snowed like that in Aussie land... Impressive....

Back to History...As far as history is concerned like Australia we had Indians roaming the land here in America before the fist settlers came in and took over... I believe some of earliest finding were discovered in the Grand Canyon areas, clay pots, arrow heads, bowls and painting's also were found in the caves and what not... Those were more like bushmen though...

I must say our early American settlers were not tolerate of the Indian culture, as we ran them out...I guess the Indians were not willing to progress and give up their land so willingly... Early Americans settlers seemed to me to be a bit agro...Not cool to run out the Ingines as they were here first...However, Now the Indians are stuck on reservations building casino's and smoking the peace pipe.... I guess they got it pretty good in the end..
 
While traveling thru the UK I loved the warm foamy Guiness and Murphy's stout on draft in the pubs... A wee bit filling though...
I home brew my own stout and old. Love a sweet beer. Can't take wine, give me headaches.

Even though I live in the best country in the world and the only thing we aint got is a glacier, I want to see the ancient sites all over the world. Stonehenge doesn't really interest me, I wouldn't not see it if I was there but what I want to see is NewGrange.

I think there is a new theory concerning the Anerica's to, that is was occupied before the people we currently call Indians. My old Uni proffessor was working on a dig down near Tiera del fuego and they found remains that were really old, like 40000 years or something.
 
@xr8tt,

Cool,
I have exactly the same picture on my computer at home,
white Mercedes Sprinter, only ours says NOB Technicolor. IGP sattelite uplink with auto tracker dish, in the snow, only in holland!
I gues making radio is the same everywhere in the world,
i'd preffer the sunny early sunday mornings though, with the LNB cooling system buzzing in the background having a cup of coffee sitting back against the front wheel in the sun..... brilliant.
ps is there also a controll room in the van?

storm trooper:
I agree on stonehenge, there to much blabla about it and to little known to be realy interesting, we went to look at it because we where in new forest anyway, and once there I still was amazed by the size of the structure, it was a lot bigger than I thought, I have seen the circles in Aveburry aswell, village size circles there. new grange is high on the list, I have seen it's spannish counterpart cava de menga near Malaga which was probably not nearly as nice as that one.... but still very good to see.

I don't know anything about other than microshit and Mac OSx so can't help you any further on the picture part.

ps do you have ausi guys have normal 4 seasons in a year?

holland has a sea climat, winter starting at 21 december, and summer on the 21'st of june, winters are cold between -15 and 10 degrees lots of rain and sometimes severe snow, summers are 1 very good or 2 totaly crap autumn and winter is waterfighting time, because 3 big rivers from the alps are flowing right next to eachother through the south part of the country, if it starts to rain high in the alps, gues which country gets all of it?
holland is as the name says (hollow land) 60 percent is below sea level, now you think "how can a river flow through over a piece of land that sits lower than the sea level that it is flowing towards?... that's where the dykes come in.
in winter when there are very strong eastern winds the north sea is trying to invade the country which went totaly wrong in 1953 16% of the total human population died, big pieces of land had twice the amount/depth of water to cope with as what catrina did in new orleans. thats when we went building the biggest most sophisticated sea dykes in the world. never happend since. but will if the sealevel keeps rising at the rate it's now in 20 years. then I would have dry feet in my town but a trip to the sea can be done walking probably, now 125km driving.

if i'm correct the seasons are the other way round with summer beginning in december? in australia

and now most importandly, if I watch water flowing down a sink drain, it turns clockwise, that should be the other way round too on the southern hemisphere, true???

grtz Thomas
 
Striker, my best buddy just got back from traveling thru Holland for 10 days on holiday...He told me it was an excellent stay...He told me the people their are very friendly, tall and mostly all are good looking... Blond hair and blue eyes... He also told me Holland is very beautiful, well developed, clean, and the people are very intellegent....Even friendly to Americans... Besides visiting Australia I think I may have to also travel down your way to Holland... Sounds promising... Love the Spiker cars too...

Stormtropper - Red wine gives alot of people headaches so your not the only one.....Why some may ask? Well because of the combination of Fermented grape juice and the 11-13% alcohol...As the Italian saying goes, "Drink wine and live 100 years". I wonder what the saying is for drinking beer? "Drink beer and get fat, maybe?".. The key to avoiding headaches when drinking red wine is to drink alot of water with it... It kills the buzz a bit, but it saves you from the headaches...

Home brews sounds interesting... Curious, how does one make Aussie home brewed beer? Do you have to get the barrely and hops and do it all up from scratch? Sounds like a lot of work???? Are some of your home brews like the Pilsner beers in Germany?....:beerchug:

Curious, stormtrooper and or fellow Aussie's which one of these Australian stouts do you think is the best for taste?

Abbotsford invalid (Vic), Cabine stout (Qld), Cascade special (Tas), Coopers best extra stout (Sa), Sheaf stout (NSW), Southwark stout (SA), Swan stout (WA)... I have tried Coopers best and really liked it years back.... These are the Australian mainstream Stout beers...
 
I have just come in to check what's been happening. Haven't got alot of time to post what I can about seasons etc. so I will leave that till tonight. Needless to say it can be confusing, but isn't that what we Aussies are here for?

I didn't know that about Wine and headaches. If the alcohol content is the main factor I should get headaches from my homebrew, I have got it up to 15% proof :trink26:.

I have drunk Coopers stout from Coopers, and have also brewed it myself to, I do it a little different, I wont give all my secrets away but one thing I do is use brown sugar instead of white or even brewing sugar. It makes it sweeter and also helps to make it a little thicker for some reason. I haven't drunk (what a way to say it, lol) Southwark stout yet and probably wont get to anyway. I have drunk Southwark New though and it is the only New beer I actually like.

Anyway till I return.
 
Ohhh The windows in Amsterdam.. I don't mean Microsoft either, far from it !!!! Lol..

If anyone is interested in comeing down under and like touring car racing etc ?? Early October we have Bathurst 1000 Its spring here this time of the year..
 
I have been at bathurst for the race when it has been snowing, I have been there when there is a storm on the top of the mountain and sun shining at the bottom. It is a temperamental place and its no wonder not many international drivers come here to do the race and the ones that do are the best of what is available.

Now to Australian seasons, lol what a funny question, yes we have 4 just like you. Having said that in the northern tropics only two are recognised by most people, the Wet and the Dry. Self explanatory what they are, in the summer half of the year it rains and you have cyclones, in the winter half you don't have rain and you dont have cyclones.

Aboriginal people recognised 7 seasons in the tropical northern teritory. I don't know them all but the dry is one and another in English translates to the "knock em down season" meaning it is really windy and all the grass that has grown in the wet is knocked down. Oh I forgot many people, not only Aboriginal, say there is also a build up and it is suicide season as it literally drives people crazy. It didn't affect me as I like warm and somewhat humid weathe., I hate feeling the air drying my skin out on a hot dry day so I liked the wet season and the build up.

Gotta go again, I really have to get an assignment done for uni.

Just a quick edit: By the looks of your post striker Holland, maybe all of Europe, follows the ancient seasonal markers. The Keltic fire festivals were held on the days you mention. Samhain, Beltain, Lughnasadh and I cant remember the other one were all on what we now say are the 21st and/or 22nd of June, December and I think March and August to. Basically the high, low and inbetween points of the suns travel through the sky. Linked to the afterlife to, they used to burn people alive in big Wickermen to send them off to the gods early.
 
I don't know them all but the dry is one and another in English translates to the "knock em down season" meaning it is really windy and all the grass that has grown in the wet is knocked down. Oh I forgot many people, not only Aboriginal, say there is also a build up and it is suicide season as it literally drives people crazy.

Thats funny and really strange that weather dictates depresion or happyness in some or most people.. It's so true, as on constant cloudy grey cold days you just don't seem as cheery, especially after a solid week of it as apposed to constant sunshine.. Infact, here in the USA we have the highest suicide rate in a State called Washington, and the city in Washington is called Seattle... This Washington state is not Washington DC but a state which is located on the west coast very close to the Canadian border... Why is the suicide rate the highest here in the States you may ask? Well it's simply because it is cloudy and rainy on average 300 days out of the year...The people simply get depressed and suicidal I guess:banghead: , and it's a beautiful city and state too.. A little off topic but I just found that interesting...

I know for myself I tend to be alot more happy, active and at peace in general when I am relaxing on some beautiful tropical island sipping on a cold Mexican Corona beer with a lime in it..:sombrero:
 


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