Gas Tank Pressure

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svsgt1

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Here is a question for you guys. It is not necessarily related to any specific Lexus model but since my race car has a 1UZ I figured I would ask it here. What is the proper design for a vented or non-vented gas tank? Like how much pressure or vacuum should be present? Should it be designed kind of like a sealed cooling system to where there is a gas overflow at a certain pressure and then it will suck it back as a vacuum is created. I have heard of people saying that the gas cap should allow air in but nothing out. This makes sense as your fuel is consumed air has to be let in otherwise your gas tank collapse under the vacuum. (Kind of like drinking water from a plastic bottle but not letting air into the container while drinking) But on the other side should there be a certain pressure that your gas tank should have or a maximum pressure that it should have.​
I ask because on my race car I essentially have a sealed fuel filler cap but on the fuel filler neck I have a small tube that runs to the ground. So pressure can not build up in my tank from the fuel vapors. This makes sense but when I fill up the tank and run the car for a short period of time I sometimes get fuel overflowing out of this tube to the ground. Is the gas tank simply heating up to much allowing the gas to expand and run out of the overflow tube due to overfilling the tank or is there supposed to be a certain amount of pressure allowed in my gas tank? It would almost make sense for me to put a small one way valve (check valve) in the overflow tube path. That way it will let air in to prevent the tank from collapsing but it would allow a certain amount of pressure to build in the tank without having gas overflow out every time. Or should I just not fill the tank up all the way or put a small catch tank so the fuel has somewhere other then the ground to go? What is the proper way of doing this?​

 
All EFI cars run a charcoal canister.

There is a vapour line running from the tank to the canister, and another line running from the manifold to the canister.
This uses the motor's vacuum to suck the vapours out of the tank, and into the canister.
The vapours then pass through the charcoal where they are 'purified' and vented to atmosphere.


I have no idea what other measures factory cars take in relation to fuel tanks.
 
Top of the throttle body.
You probably have 3 lines there.
In factory form the one that runs thought the VSV (Vacuum Switch Valve) is the one that goes to the charcoal canister.
 
Peewee said:
Top of the throttle body.
You probably have 3 lines there.
In factory form the one that runs thought the VSV (Vacuum Switch Valve) is the one that goes to the charcoal canister.
Thank you for the reply! I think I am starting to piece this together.
The problem is that the car was in the shop and one of the things "installed" was an EGR delete kit. The removal of the EGR system involves plugging those three holes you mention that are at the top of the intake. When I went back to the instructions for the EGR kit I realized that the engine in the pictures had some minor differences compared to mine. One of these differences had to do with where the three hoses end up. Mine is a 1994 SC400.

Am I correct in that you are stating that the vacuum hose from the charcoal cannister goes to the VSV and then on to the intake? If so, which of the two connections on the VSV does the aforementioned hose connect to?
 
A few things...

Make sure the line from the throttle body to the canister is a vaccume line (ie, after the throttle body, not before it).

Also, the vapors do not go through the charcoal canister and then to atmo... they are sucked into the intake of the engine and burnt.

And make sure you have a liquid trap in the vapor line near the fuel tank (can be just a few bends in the pipe in a certain shape).
You dont want liquid fuel making it into the charcoal canister.
 
SC & RX said:
Thank you for the reply! I think I am starting to piece this together.
The problem is that the car was in the shop and one of the things "installed" was an EGR delete kit. The removal of the EGR system involves plugging those three holes you mention that are at the top of the intake. When I went back to the instructions for the EGR kit I realized that the engine in the pictures had some minor differences compared to mine. One of these differences had to do with where the three hoses end up. Mine is a 1994 SC400.

Am I correct in that you are stating that the vacuum hose from the charcoal cannister goes to the VSV and then on to the intake? If so, which of the two connections on the VSV does the aforementioned hose connect to?
Found the answer, there is an emission systems diagram stuck under the hood. I noticed it when I was lookintg at something else, should have seen it sooner but I guess I am too tall.
 


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