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Lextreme II

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Ok Gang,

My ride is 16 years old and the old school LS400 is still looking pretty good don't you think? This ride has over 250,000 on the clock and is still kicking. This sleeper also raced few STi and M3 recently and it stood the ground against other factory fast cars. I would say.... not bad for an old ride. What do you say give it up to the first Lexus flagship?
 
Glad to see you celebrate your cars birthday. Did you go out for a nice meal? I hope you bought her somthing nice.

A very afordable quality car.
 
Hey Dave, I too edged out the new M3's Beemers a couple of times....They are quick and hard to beat. Congrats on that victory, now I am really scared to race the legendary old school LS400....

Have you dyno'd that beast lately?
 
Dave and Lextremers...

I think you're on a winner here with the LS, as once a car gets too that sort of age, most people turn their noses up at it, as they fall lemming like into the nearest showroom to buy another brand new box (that looks a bit like the last 'but hey the interiors got different colour trim piping!!'). This self appointed trendy elite deride you for being 'cheap' and untrendy.

But I strongly think the LS is on the verge of being a cool retro brick. Indeed those words have been randomly used by others in this thread.

It makes me laugh that just 10 years ago, 'old' cars then were laughable embarresments driven by 'boy racers' (UK slang for young tossers - possible future DUB-ers? :la:), now they are rare and now extremely dam cool.

I'm 36 so 19 years ago when I was learning to drive, the Mark 1 Escort was seriously uncool. It had previously been a mass produced family car, and also a capable rally and circuit winner in the 1970's. Cue late 80's Britain and anyone driving a beaten up Mark 1 Escort was quite literally a wanker.

However... last year I saw a young lad driving past my house in a very tidy boy'd up Mark1 and **** me did he look dam cool. Today Mark 1's are rare as rocking horse **** and easily fetch GBP5k++++ for a good 2 door Mexico.

And that's just one example. A mate bought an old box shaped brown 70's Merc, mid spec but immaculate. Complete with new funky beard and lairy shirts he looked a million dollars in it and it was a hoot to go cruising off in.

Examples are endless. A leading designer here was recently on TV praising the lines of old 70's entry level Datsuns (I had a 100A in my yoof and loved it) for being cool and retro and that he and his children had turned their backs on mass produced modern designs and got a few 120Y's (I think) in.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the self appointed trendy always buy new, but the really trendy and trend setters make their own decisions.

Another recent TV programme here takes old cars for a few quid, does home DIY style repairs and sells the cars on. It's a show on how to make money on cars. They bought an LS for GBP1300 and sold it for about GBP3k having spent loads on it and only made GBP300 profit. As a show hosted by a used car trader it's all about money, however he really seemed to enjoy the LS and clearly stated it wasn't about making money on this one as he just wanted it right and back on the road.

If there is an X factor that can make a car a classic I think the LS has it. It is the first major model for an entire brand as as such stands credibly on this merrit alone. Add to the fact it is a bloody fine car with quirky looks actually adds to the potential.

Ask yourself a question, how many other 80's cars (exotica aside) can you truley say will be classics??? Nothing from the US, the odd German Uber Wagen maybe, The Ford Cosworth, perhaps the MX5, Golf Gti (though the path was laid at the very end of the 70's), and did the Skyline make it with rebirth at the end of the 80's?

As LS's values and image are so low they I believe they are at the cusp of a potential big move upwards in desireability, trendy alternative motoring and value. Or is it fit for the bin?

Discuss!

Mark
 
has the aerodynamics of a brick.... but otherwise it looks good.

not to mention thats just not true.. the Cd of the 1g LS is .29, this is equal to the Cd of the 2005 Corvette and the 2005 Porsche Boxster. It is better than the Z06, Porsche 996, Ferrari Testarossa, even teh F40 and F50. It is also much lower than that of the Miata, and just for fun, the Cd of a smooth brick is about 2.05 according to the physics textbook I am currently studying from.

The aerodynamics of the LS are quite excellent.. and a good part of the reason they are so quiet inside.
 
I don't think the LS or SC's will ever be classic eye catchers...They will never be labeled as Vintage....However they are still nice rides even in comparison to todays new cars.... I have people telling me that my car is close to new it must only be a few years old... I get looks because of the after market stuff I added to the car.... That is my take...

SKid - you mentioned that there are no 80's cars that are going to be classics...I can think of a few that are very close to that status, 86' Buick Grand National, and a few other limited production cars...None more come to mind but there are a few more that people would love to cruise if completely restored and would call it a classic.....
 
86' Buick Grand National

a what?

Never heard of it, and it probably hasn't been sold outside of the Americas. All the one's I've mentioned are global and have followings in every market which is why I chose them. To be fair it wasn't a scientific survey as they were all off the top of my head as I typed.
 
(!*?%!(*?!@()&()!@&()%)!& stupid quick reply that doesn't work.

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Man, I look at your LS, then at my cressida, then your LS. It looks so much like a cressida's daddy! But the "square look" fits much better on the LS, maybe because the car is larger.

Thumbs up on this amazing ride. My next daily driver WILL be another lexus, a LS or GS. I'd like to own a GS400 but they aren't afordable yet. maybe in 4-5 years when my cressida will die.
 
Remember the LS400 with over 550,000 miles? I love to buy that car if it is within my budget. I really think 1990 LS400 would a classic in the near future. There is no doubt about it. 1990 is the first of the whole line of cars. That is why I got a 1990 instead of 1995 or so on. It was the first. However, I can't say that for ES250.
 
Skid - Forgot you were a UK boy....Anyway, the Buick Grand National was quite the car in its day here in the United States... This car sported a V6 3.8 liter motor that was turbo charged...On average these cars ran

11.5 sec quarters
0-60mph in under 5 seconds
300hp

In 1986 that was the new car to get for American hotrodders...Here is what they look like. The 1986 Buick Grand National are now almost considered a classic here in the States..Not to many were made and sold here in the U.S. and probably none sold over seas....

With a few mods these cars could really move...
 

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Remember the LS400 with over 550,000 miles? I love to buy that car if it is within my budget. I really think 1990 LS400 would a classic in the near future. There is no doubt about it. 1990 is the first of the whole line of cars. That is why I got a 1990 instead of 1995 or so on. It was the first. However, I can't say that for ES250.

Don't forget that lexus revolutioned the whole luxury car industry.

It could outclass the S class. Not bad for a 1st timer. The design and refinement of the interior, softness of it,s powertrain, reliability. Lexus really updated the automobile standards.
 
Quebec, you are right...13 seconds is what I am reading off of google at stock...With the basic mods they run in the mid 11's...

Infact - The one in the above picture is for sale and has a few basic mods and that owner claims that car runs 11.5 in the quarter...I did not read that he had added a few mods...My bad..

Getting off topic all apologies...
 
Grand Nationals run mid 13s out of the showroom, low 12s when you add a grainger valve and into the low-mid 12s for less than a thousand dollars in mods (labor inclusive).. a truly amazing machine. Some have said they reached the tens with less than a thousand in mods (labor not inclusive). If only the interiors were not so hideous lol.
 

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I may cruise that black GN in the pic if it ran in the 10's....Those cars are not the best of eyecatchers inside or out......I think he was asking $20 grand for that one, said it runs 11.5 in the quarter...Should I trade heads up with my SC4 and see if he goes for it?:27:

Lex - would you trade head up for that Black GN for your soon to be collectors item vintage classic LS400? Does your Mustang even do 11.5 in the quarter? That is starting to get fast.....
 
I'm sorry Jibbers but I just don't get the Buick. I know I said quirky is good towards counting towards 'classic' but I think the Grand National comes under 'odd ball'

PLus it's limited to one territory rather than global. My off the cuff nominations for potential 80's classics are all pretty much globally abvailable. I will add to my list the 944 as it's mass produced and not really an exotic. Plus I'm biased as sticking a 1UZ in one.

LS400 should be a classic and it's a criminal offence if it gets over seen.

M
 

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